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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 528

                          Saturday, January 25th 1992

     (C) Copyright 1992 Paranet Information Service.  All Rights Reserved.

Today's Topics:

                             Light show in Scranton
                                 Delphos Samples
                               Siberian Encounter
                               UK Bulletin Boards
                                 Radio Isotopes
                                 Australian CCs
                                 Aussie Circles
                               Siberian Encounter
                       Delphos, Deuterium, pulasar planets
                             Andean Anomalies, et al
                                   Puerto Rico
                               Texas Camps - FEMA
                                    Wackenhut
                                 Aussie Circles
                               Aussie crop circle
                            Australian Computer Book
                               Siberian Encounter
                             Message for Mike Dobbs
                               Siberia and Circles
                                    Wackenhut
                             Re: FEDER & WILLIAMS' B
                                 Re: CIS MESSAGE
                                 Amazon Question

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Light show in Scranton
Date: 20 Jan 92 07:23:07 GMT


 > I was watching channel 2 news out of New York City last week on my
 > satellite
 > and saw a report on a strange story out of Scranton, PA.

  I heard something about that on one of the other echos. No other info,
except that MUFON has a couple of guys working on it.

                                           jbh

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From: mrc-crc.ac.uk!sgamble
Subject: Delphos Samples
Date: 21 Jan 92 12:32:19 GMT

From: [e-mail] (Steve Gamble x3293)


In a recent posting Jim Speiser states :' I hope Mark (Rodeghier)
picks up the Delphos comments and passes to Erol Faruk for comment'.

Erol is a member of BUFORA and one of my Trace analysis team, so I
can pick up the comments and pass on.

Steve Gamble




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From: mrc-crc.ac.uk!sgamble
Subject: Siberian Encounter
Date: 21 Jan 92 12:32:30 GMT

From: [e-mail] (Steve Gamble x3293)


In recent posting, Sheldon Wernikoff raises the point of a Mig-29
pilot not being sure if he saw something on the 24th or 25th of
December 1989 as these are Christmas Eve and Christmas Day.

Could I suggest two possible reasons for this :

 1. Although the 'Authorities' are happy for people
    in general to know about the report, they do not
    want to be too specific about any military operation.

 2. I believe that the Russians do not celebrate Christmas
           as we do in the West. I think that even the Russian
    Church celebrates a festival on what I would call
    12th Night i.e. 6 days after New Year. The 24/25th
    December would probably just be any other day to the
    pilot.


Steve Gamble




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From: mrc-crc.ac.uk!sgamble
Subject: UK Bulletin Boards
Date: 21 Jan 92 12:32:42 GMT

From: [e-mail] (Steve Gamble x3293)


Several people have posted recently asking about UK based UFO Boards.
BUFORA has been considering running a board for some while but is not
yet in a position to do so.

I have been negotiating recently with a colleague who runs a board
for her family history data to have a UFO section. At the moment she
has been taking info from wildnet, but if we start a UFO section
we would look to take Fidonet as well. I will post as soon (?if) I
have any more news.

Steve Gamble




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From: doc.imperial.ac.uk!aixssc.ibm.co.uk!rob
Subject: Radio Isotopes
Date: 21 Jan 92 22:45:06 GMT

From: Robert Trevelyan <[e-mail]>


       Just received my report on 'The Discovery of Thirteen Short-lived
       Radonuclides.........'. This is a pretty heavy document but as Sheldon
       rightly corrected is in soil samples not corn as I first reported.
       I guess this comes from sending notes before reading the facts and
       believing what people tell you on the telephone.
       Thanks again for putting me right. Great report but I am not sure
       of the relevance at this point.

Regards, Robert

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From: doc.imperial.ac.uk!aixssc.ibm.co.uk!rob
Subject: Australian CCs
Date: 21 Jan 92 22:45:18 GMT

From: Robert Trevelyan <[e-mail]>


Keith,
        Thanks for the Australian crop circle posts, very interesting.
        Also looks like D+D did not make Australia then. Here in the UK
        the media seemed to have accepted that D+D were the cause and even
        the local television station, TVS, reported in their 1991 review
        program that 1991 was the year that the corn circle mysteries were
        solved by the emergence of two retired gents. Lets wait and see in
        the 1992 'season'

Regards, Robert


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From: [e-mail] (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: Aussie Circles
Date: 22 Jan 92 05:00:01 GMT


 * Forwarded from: FIDO *UFO* echo
 * Originally dated: 19-Jan-92
 * Originally from: Chris Rutkowski
 * Originally to: Sheldon Wernikoff

 Bill: Chris Rutkowski in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, has asked
 that I forward his reply to you re: Australian circles which I am
 so doing. Take care -- Sheldon
 ------------------------------------------------------------------
 I would agree with Bill on his points. I also have found that
 Meaden's theory doesn't seem to hold for the flat topography in
 the case of the Manitoba circles. Admittedly, the Alberta circles
 were in slightly rolling terrain, but far different from the
 Britsih experience. Can you cross-post my reply to Chalker?
 ------ Chris
 --- TPBoard 6.4
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From: [e-mail] (Brent Wilcox)
Subject: Siberian Encounter
Date: 22 Jan 92 00:10:45 GMT

In a message to Ncar!wam.umd.edu!infinity <19 Jan 92 16:34>
Sheldon Wernikoff wrote:

SW> You are of course correct about Xmas in Russia, approx. 60% of the
SW> Russian people are atheist, and those that do celebrate Xmas, do so
SW> privately. Therefore, the probability of Vladimir associating the
SW> event with Xmas, or Xmas eve, does seem remote. See how agreeable
SW> I am?

Actually, the Russians who celebrate Xmas probably celebrate the
Russian Orthodox date -- Jan 6.

Just a footnote...

--Brent

P.S. Re: Crop Circle Radioactivity --  I got a message on another
Net from Marshall Dudley explaining that they've pulled their
upcoming article in the Cerealogist.  The lab that did the tests
actually -- when he was able to look at their raw data, instead of
the computer analysis they provided -- seems to have muddled it.
The anomalies may be background noise...

I hope to re-post his (more detailed) message here, if he'll let me.
Or maybe get him calling ParaNet (what's the closest node to
Tennesse?).

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From: [e-mail] (Brent Wilcox)
Subject: Delphos, Deuterium, pulasar planets
Date: 22 Jan 92 00:15:33 GMT

In a message to All <20 Jan 92 12:31> ncar!violet.berkeley.edu! wrote:

 nc> Jim and Linda: I hate to be wholly on the catabolic side of
 nc> paranormal research and investigations but I recall seeing a
 nc> statement this week (in Nature?) that the claim of planets orbiting
 nc> a pulsar had been retracted by the investigator. Apparently, a
 nc> component of the earth's orbital motion had been neglected in the
 nc> data processing and this accounted for the observed motion of
 nc> the pulsar. The effect is a subtle one and was overlooked because
 nc> it is usually unimportant in this kind of study.
 nc>        On the other hand, a more plausible mechanism for planets
 nc> surviving a supernova explosion of their star was discussed. The
 nc> metallic core of a Jupiter-sized planet might survive and the energy
 nc> released by decompressing the core when the atmosphere ablated
 nc> might help circularize the orbit afterwards.

I understood the retraction to be about a claim made by British
astronomers last June or so...  I don't recall if it involved a
pulsar or not.  The planetary claim made recently by a different
group of astronomers (involving a pulsar) still stands (I think).

But I think the press has muddled the two in the public's mind -- a
"discovery" followed by a similar-but-unrelated "retraction".  Kinda
messy...

And I've heard it hypothesized that the pulsar's planets are
actually material thrown off by the star's collapse and captured in
orbit. Created with the pulsar, rather than pre-existing planets
that survived the cataclysm.


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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Andean Anomalies, et al
Date: 22 Jan 92 00:01:00 GMT

In a message to All <13 Jan 92 18:03> ncar!ecn.purdue.edu!lush wrote:

 nc> From: [e-mail] (Gregory B Lush)
 nc> Date: 13 Jan 92 20:39:17 GMT
 nc> Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
 nc> Newsgroups: info.paranet
 nc> Subject:  Anomalies in the Andes

Hi Greg & sorry for the lapse in replying.  I'ze been bizzy theze dayz.

 nc> ?  Hmmm, indeed.  Actually, some of the
 nc> most interesting stuff is underwater on
 nc> ?  the U.S. Costal Shelf, around Bermuda
 nc> and the Caribbean islands, and in the
 nc> ?  Gulf of Mexico.  I seem to recall the
 nc> discovery of a well-preserved stone
 nc> ?  staircase leading down to a beach on the Yucatan.
 nc> ?
 nc> ?  But the beach is now 150' underwater, the stairs begin almost
 nc> 100' underwater,

Dr. J. Mason Valentine has explored this.  It's been in a couple of books,
including Berlitz's Mystery of Atlantis and some more scholarly places I can't
recall.  The depth was due to both rising sea level & costal subsidence,
though, if memory serves.

 nc> ?  There's a similar anomaly just below Mancu Picu in the Andes:
 nc> a stairway leads
 nc> ?  down to the beach. The beach is at
 nc> about 11,000 feet elevation, and seems to
 nc> ?  have been there before the Mountains rose to their present
 nc> height!  In fact the
 nc> ?  whole city of Mancu Picu has been
 nc> 'undatable' according to some sources,
 nc> ?  because it was virtually
 nc> earthquake-proof (until the Conquistadores removed
 nc> ?  the flexible silver braces from the buildings).
 nc> ?

Well, I'm still looking for the source of this.  I suspect I may have got it
wrong -- it's not Mancu Picu but Tihuanaco.  I shall continue to persevere to
quest after the source.  :-)

Best,
  Clark


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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Puerto Rico
Date: 22 Jan 92 00:09:00 GMT

In a message to Anyone <14 Jan 92 00:09> Winn Schwartau wrote:

 WS> Been hearing a couple of rumors:

 WS>        1. In late Nov early Dec, over Puerto Rico, 2 F-14's
 WS> played tag with a UFO in front of lots of people AND a TV camera
 WS> from the local station. I've heard several people talk about it,
 WS> but no one who has seen/has access to the video.  According to
 WS> Hard Copy production staff, they were outbid for the video by
 WS> another 'news' organization.
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I heard the same thing, but the time was October and the place, Adjuntas, PR.

 WS>        2. The Feds are going to come clean.  Been able to trace
 WS> this to a Dr. Robert Carr at the Univ of Southern Florida who is
 WS> tied to the Feds somehow.

I'll believe it when I see/hear it.  How is this Carr guy tied to the Feds?
 What agencies/grants/projects?  If he's just running a defense research grant,
they'll tell him anything to keep him online.

Best,
  Clark

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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Texas Camps - FEMA
Date: 22 Jan 92 01:20:00 GMT

In a message to Don Ecker <10 Jan 92 11:19> Kay Mclaughlin wrote:

 >DE> Kay Mclaughlin asked;

 >> On the Chuck Harder Show the other night, I heard a snippet about how
 >> various private pilots(?) have been seeing "concentration type camps"(!)
 >> springing up in the wilds of Texas. I didn't catch the whole thing, but
 >> it sounded weird, he said he was looking into it.
 >> Heard anything?

 KM> Thanks so much, that was exactly the distant bell that rang in my head
 KM> when I heard the rumor. FEMA, FEMA, FEMA. Bingo!

Kay (& Don),

You may be interested to know that the shadowy bureaucrats of FEMA have
suddenly taken a higher profile here in the Northeast.  All of a sudden, two of
them appeared on the Jersey Shore, making promises about Federal preparedness
to restore the damaged beaches & breakwaters here.  This happened three weeks
ago, and they haven't been heard from since.

They only seem to be interested in beach areas around Ft. Dix and McGuire AFB,
which are slated for reductions and cutbacks.  Several folks here have taken
notice of this.  Theories range from an election-year Federal makework program
to help local economies around the bases to conversion of areas within the
bases to barracks-type camps.

NSD-47 and the other Executive Orders and Directives of its ilk do not bode
well for the continuation of freedom in this country, in my opinion.

Keep you posted as long as the phones work...

Best,
  Clark


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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Wackenhut
Date: 22 Jan 92 07:29:00 GMT

In a message to John Galt <16 Jan 92 19:46> Don Ecker wrote:

 DE>  PERU,  88-91  PRIVATE SECURITY CORPORATION FORMING IMPORTANT ROLE
 DE>  IN LIC-DRUG OPERATIONS. FROM 1981-91, PERUVIAN SECURITY CORPORATIONS
 DE>  INCREASED FROM 80 TO 350, PLUS 150 UNOFFICIAL ORGANIZATIONS. AMONG
 DE>  THOSE IS WACKENHUT CORP, WHOSE EMPLOYEES CONSIST OF MANY EX-CIA,
 DE>  DEA, FBI MEMBERS. Z 11/90 87

Also NSC, NSA and DIA.  Interestingly, Wackenhut seems to have a direct line
into the Justice Dept. and excellent contacts with local law enforcement.  The
Riconsciutto case (shall we say "drug plant"?) is a good case in point.

 DE> DOMESTIC OP

 DE>  CHILE, CUBA. WACKENHUT CORP OF CORAL GABLES, FLORIDA. PROVIDES
 DE>  SECURITY SYSTEMS THRUOUT WORLD. INMAN WAS DIRECTOR OF CORP PLUS
 DE>  OTHER INFLUENTIAL PERSONS IN  80  WACKENHUT WORKED CLOSELY WITH
 DE>  S. CALIFORNIA'S CABAZON INDIANS AND THEIR TRIBAL ADMINISTRATOR
 DE>  JOHN PHILIP NICHOLS. NICHOLS PER NEWS ARTICLE, BOASTED RE ATTEMPTED
 DE>  ASSASSINATION CASTRO AND SUCCESSFUL ASSASSINATION OF SALVADOR ALLENDE.

Nichols is not even an American Indian, I understand.  The prior administrator
was removed from the reservation by the Reagan Administration after Nichols,
Brian & Co. bought the reservation Bingo Hall and started moving Wackenhut-
managed weapons and biotech manufacturing operations in.  Three members of the
Cabazon band were murdered execution-style during the takeover.  Dan Casolaro
apparently had information (which disappeared from his hotel room) that the
Cabazon protestors were murdered by three ex-Special Forces contract killers,
who are employed by the Chicago Fire Department.

 DE>  WACKENHUT/CABAZON CONNECTION OF PARTICULAR INTEREST TO D. CASOLARO
 DE>  WHO DIED IN W.VIRGINIA IN  91  HE ALSO INVESTIGATING OCTOBER SURPRISE
 DE>  AND INSLAW. MICHAEL RICONOSCIUTO - A WEAPONS-SYSTEM DESIGNER AND
 DE>  SOFTWARE SPECIALIST - WAS DIR OF A RESEARCH PROJECT OF WACKENHUT/CABAZON
 DE>  JOINT VENTURE. IN EARLY 80s AFFIDAVIT SAID HE MODIFIED A STOLEN
 DE>  PROMIS SOFTWARE FOR FOREIGN SALES. OTHER INFO ON WACKENHUT. ITT
 DE>  9/24/81 4-5

 DE>  FOR EIGHT YEARS INSLAW BATTLING JUSTICE DEPT FOR POSSESSION OF
 DE>  PROMIS, A SOFT-WARE PROGRAM DEVELOPED BY COMPANY OWNER BILL HAMILTON.
 DE>  IN 91  INSLAW WENT PUBLIC AND ALLEGED REAGAN JUSTICE DEPT, AFTER IT
 DE>  HAD STOLEN PROMIS, TURNED IT OVER TO EARL BRIAN. INSLAW ALLEGES

Actually this isn't quite true.  Bill Hamilton went "public" to the press much
earlier, and Dow Jones/Barron's has followed this case since 1987, not long
after Meese attempted to force Inslaw into involuntary bankruptcy in the
federal bankruptcy courts.  The Napa Sentinel series I posted actually started
as a series on corruption in the Federal Bankruptcy courts in Northern
California -- that's where Meese's associates have the best connections.

This would have precluded a suit by Inslaw for software piracy by the Attorney
General of the United States, the Wackenhut Corporation, and numerous agencies
that "recommended" or distributed the stolen software the foreign intelligence
/secret police agencies.  The involuntary bankruptcy filing was started at the
same time Meese was "investigating" Ollie North).

 DE>  SOFTWARE GIVEN BRIAN AS PAYBACK FOR BRIAN'S HELP IN ARRANGING
 DE> ARMS-FOR- HOSTAGE DEAL WITH IRAN IN 1980 (OCTOBER SURPRISE). PER

Problem was, the software was a "gift" like the Trojan Horse (pardon the pun) -
- it came with a surprise inside.

The surprise was Ari Ben-Menasche, a sociopathic sometime fixer/functionary for
Mossad and Shin-Beth, the Israeli secret service/secret police.  Ben-Menasche
made the U.S. arms-hostages deals happen, somehow insinuated himself in the
Contra/Drug side of the equation, and became involved in the Inslaw matter as a
fixer for Brian, when ol' Earl was pitching the Wackenhut-pirated software to
Mossad.

Many people say Ben-Menasche is a compulsive liar, and they're right.  But have
you read his affadivits, Don?

 DE> GENERAL THORNBURG, UNDER SUPOENA, RELEASED INSLAW-RELATED FILES -
 DE> BUT 15 TO 20 FILES MISSING. ITT 9/10/91 4-5

... and I, for one, am glad Thornburg lost in Pennsylvania. :-)  He owed the
American people a fair investigation and bugged out.  He deserves defeat and
disgrace, just as much as Meese, who he's protecting.


 DE>  INSLAW PRES BILL HAMILTON SAYS HE HAS INFO THAT PROMIS ILLEGALLY
 DE>  SOLD TO SOUTH KOREA, LIBYA, JORDAN, GREAT BRITAIN (ENGLAND), GERMANY,
 DE>  FRANCE, AUSTRALIA, THAILAND, JAPAN, CHILE, GUATEMALA, BRAZIL, AND
 DE>  CANADA. CANADIAN COMPANY, COMMUNICATIONS CANADA - THE CANADIAN

 >Canadians Please Note:>>  Have ANY CANADIAN USERS EVER HEARD of something
called the CCC?  Do you know what it does??  Ask your MP.  Keep asking.

CCC uses stolen Inslaw software -- just like the Iraqi secret police.

 DE>  RICONOSCIUTO ARRESTED AND CHARGED WITH SELLING MORE THAN 4 GRAMS
 DE>  OF POTENT SPEED. ITT 6/11/91 11-13

Four grams?  FOUR GRAMS!?!?

What a DISGRACE!  Any self-respecting cooperative constable should be able to
palm and plant at least an OUNCE of methedrine on a set-up target!!  Well, a
set-up victim with POCKETS, anyway.

Where do they GET these people???

Keep diggin', Don, keep diggin'.

Best,
  Clark


PS -- Don, could you repost info on getting CIABASE?

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From: [e-mail] (Bill Chalker UFORA Associate NSW)
Subject: Aussie Circles
Date: 19 Jan 92 19:21:00 GMT

Sheldon, Thanks for your response on this. You have passed
on some interesting info.  As my polling window is nearly
over I'll respond in further detail next time.
Regards, Bill.

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From: [e-mail] (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: Aussie crop circle
Date: 18 Jan 92 20:54:00 GMT

The phenomenon taps in to Paranet. I'm sure of it now. After recently
posting an item that we have not had any recent examples of crop
circles in Australia I now humbly have to report:-

"The Age" Newspaper, Melbourne, Victoria. 31/12/91.

" "If anyone calls me a prankster, I'll punch them in the nose," says
Ken price. It must be said at the outset that Mr Price, a Mallee
wheatgrower for 50 of his 64 years, is not a violent person. Nor is he
a ratbag or a hoaxer. He does, however, have some unexplained circles
in his wheat paddocks that are attracting the attention of
international crop circle watchers, and yes, UFO enthusiasts.
Mr Price first stumbled upon the circles earlier this month when he
and his son Noel were harvesting their wheat. There are six circles
varying from two to 3.5 metres in diameter and another larger oval 4.5
metres across in another paddock.
On seeing the first circle, Mr Price put the flattened crop down to
foxes and thought nothing more about it. When he came upon another,
then another and then a few days later the large oval, 1.5 kilometres
away, he called in neigbours to take a closer look. They, like him,
had never seen anything like it and were fascinated.
It was then that he contacted another farmer, Mrs Nancy Jolly, who put
him in touch with a group led by Colin Andrews, the British crop
circle researcher who gave up his job as an electrical engineer 18
months ago to go on the crop circle detective trail full time.
In 1989, a number of crop circles had appeared at Mrs Jolly's Turriff
farm, about 20 kilometres from the Price farm near Hopetoun. A third,
unconfirmed sighting has also been reported at nearby Beulah.
Mr Andrews visited Australia recently and last month spent some time
on the Jolly property.
Mr Price does not believe the circles are the handiwork of a practical
joker. "I assure you it's fair dinkum," he says. "No person could
re-create them, or flatten a crop like that." He is taking the Great
Mallee Mystery in his stride, although he was reported to be slightly
alarmed at a suggestion by a UFO "expert" that the field might be
radioactive. It isn't."

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From: [e-mail] (Vladimir Godic)
Subject: Australian Computer Book
Date: 23 Jan 92 06:32:00 GMT


 > Vladimir,
 >
 >         It would seem that you too are a victim of a crossed
 > wire network. My name is Mark Rodeghier too, but I'm not the
 > same one you have been in contact with in the past.  It's
 > possible that this other 'Mark Rodeghier' is related to me in
 > some way but I have never met him.  This is the second time this
 > has happened on this net.  If you know of a way that I might
 > contact him directly, please let me know.  I would like to find
 > out if we are related.  With a name like Rodeghier, we can't be
 > too far apart on the geneology tree.
 >
 > Sorry about the mix up and I hope your message got to the other
 > 'Mark' without delay.
 >

Hi Mark Rodeghier (No 2)

There is no mix up, my message was directed to Mark Rodeghier of the
Center for UFO Studies because I know him but I don't know you. So
it's basically very simple. You can write to him C/-  J.Allen Hynek Center for
UFO Studies, 2457 West Peterson Avenue, Chicago, Illinois 60659.
Info. Paranet is an open area so I am sure Mark Rodeghier was able to
read my message.
Regards,
Vladimir

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From: [e-mail] (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: Siberian Encounter
Date: 23 Jan 92 00:10:01 GMT



In a message to Sheldon Wernikoff <21-Jan-92 12:10>
Steve Gamble wrote:

SG> In recent posting, Sheldon Wernikoff raises the point of a
SG> Mig-29 pilot not being sure if he saw something on the 24th or
SG> 25th of December 1989 as these are Christmas Eve and Christmas
SG> Day. Could I suggest two possible reasons for this :

    SG>   1. Although the 'Authorities' are happy for people
    SG>   in general to know about the report, they do not
    SG>   want to be too specific about any military operation.

    SG>   2. I believe that the Russians do not celebrate Christmas
    SG>   as we do in the West. I think that even the Russian
    SG>   Church celebrates a festival on what I would call
    SG>   12th Night i.e. 6 days after New Year. The 24/25th
    SG>   December would probably just be any other day to the
    SG>   pilot.

Hi Steve... I certainly agree with #2. In all likelihood, there
would be inadequate probability of association with the 24/25 date,
for your stated reasons. However, #1 does not readily apply, since
Vladimir was not engaged in a military operation at the time of his
sighting. He was rehearsing aerobatics for the Chelyabinsk
Aeroclub, a civilian organization. Additionally, the article
appeared in IUR under the sponsorship of the Joint American-Soviet
Aerial Anomaly Federation (JASAAF), a civilian organization.

I still feel that the actual date of the event should have been
known or easily retrievable by one of the principals, or Haines,
the author.

There may be a very valid reason for this incongruity, but frankly,
I've yet to be convinced.

Thanks for your post,

-- Sheldon

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From: doc.imperial.ac.uk!aixssc.ibm.co.uk!rob
Subject: Message for Mike Dobbs
Date: 23 Jan 92 02:40:59 GMT

From: Robert Trevelyan <[e-mail]>


Mike,
  Did you get the photos I sent you. I mailed you
 a note but the link to the internet here can be a bit flaky.
 Let me know if you didn't get a email to your hp address.

Cheers, Robert
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From: [e-mail] (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: Siberia and Circles
Date: 23 Jan 92 04:01:01 GMT




In a message to Sheldon Wernikoff <21-Jan-92 17:10>
Brent Wilcox wrote:

BW> Actually, the Russians who celebrate Xmas probably celebrate
BW> the Russian Orthodox date -- Jan 6.

Hello Brent.... Yes, as several others have pointed out, I blew
that one. Guess that's why religion's off-topic on this echo <g>

BW> I got a message on another Net from Marshall Dudley explaining
BW> that they've pulled their upcoming article in the Cerealogist.

PLEASE!!! Do post anything further you hear on this one.

A most interesting development. Score 1 more for the skeptics.

Take care,

Sheldon
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From: [e-mail] (Don Ecker)
Subject: Wackenhut
Date: 22 Jan 92 14:31:00 GMT

Clark Matthews asked:

 > PS -- Don, could you repost info on getting CIABASE?


Sure Clark. The cost is $99.00 U.S., and send check or money order to

CIABASE
P.O. Box 5022
Herndon, Va.  22070

It comes on floppys, so tell them 5 1/4 HD or DD, or 3 1/2 HD or DD.

Tell em Don sent you..... <g>

Don

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From: [e-mail] (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: FEDER & WILLIAMS' B
Date: 21 Jan 92 17:28:45 GMT

I'll have to look for that book, thanks. As for common symbols, how many
ways are there to symbolize a tree or a stream, or a cave? There are bound to
be duplications. I've been reading about indian petroglyphs lately and found
the only book where someone has "broken" the code. Really interesting. So for
example make a spiral, now make it the other way, you now have two symbols
that are universally found on planet earth. Is there anything strange about
that? l = 1 ll = 2 lll = 3 etc.

I'm not trying to discount any transfer of language or blendings, but I
would say that sometimes finding things that are similar is a matter of human
intellegence. We have the ability to reflect and reason. We can remember and
apply from different areas of knowledge. When I see the same symbols in
Celtic designs that Indians used in rock drawings, does that imply that the
two groups met or had contact? Personally I don't believe so. Coincidence
yes, limitations on variations also.

If one looks for strange things, they will without a doubt find something
strange.
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From: [e-mail] (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: CIS MESSAGE
Date: 21 Jan 92 17:35:18 GMT

I read USA today for the sports section, and football is the only one I
follow. They have some interesting articles which I will miss until next
Sept. The one about West and the Pyramids got clipped and saved. I haven't
seen anything on UFO's, but they do get into some unusual events in depth.
When the flight 19 flap was going on they had coverage, which most other
newspapers gave about two inches.

I warned someone else not to ask me for things or they would get three
pounds UPS to dig through. 8*)

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Amazon Question
Date: 23 Jan 92 04:16:04 GMT


 >         The Independent, the paper which was cited as the source of this
 > Amazon Discovery story, is available online on Compuserve, but it'd run
 > about $11 to get the item

  Wooo...don't do that....*expensive*. Maybe it'll turn up in UFONCS.

                                           jbh

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